Simpson. A lot of scientists will say that. D. COCHRAN: Well, I think it's an enigma. What indication did he give you that something was wrong? Let me show you what that looks like on an MRI scan. Before doing that, I do agree with you. I'd certainly agree with that. Each study may have some flaw to the study. Cochran signed on as part of a "dream team" of lawyers defending the Hall of Famer. This is a Motorola phone. I mean I've spent the last year sort of really reading this. The jury is still out. That day, Simpson's charismatic lawyer, Johnnie Cochran, coined a phrase that would become an enduring motto in pop culture: "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." This advancement opens up new avenues for medical research and the possibility of transplantation therapies for conditions such as neurodegenerative diseases The major do is use one of these wired ear pieces. All rights reserved. Thank you for your attention. Also with us is Dr. Keith Black, one of the major figures in neurosurgery in this country. His daughter Tiffany, for one, no longer holds a cell phone to her head. Cochran is survived by his second wife, Dale Mason; his son, Jonathan Cochran, from a prior relationship; his daughters Tiffany Cochran Edwards and Melodie Cochran, from his first marriage; and sisters Pearl Baker and Martha Jean Sherrard. He's Dr. Vini Khurana. There's no known mechanism, but not necessarily no mechanism. So caution should be our guide. You know, a lot of studies may not be perfect. BLACK: Well, I think, as Dr. Gupta said, one of the big concerns that we face is that there has not, Larry, been a definitive study to date. KING: Is that something that you would possibly associate with cell phones? So those brains are much more susceptible. And I think pretty much everyone knows if you are x-rays all the time, that's not good. BLACK: other neurological problems. Some studies found a problem, while others did not. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. ob. Cochran died at his home in Los Angeles, his family said. Phil Morris. He's associate professor of neurosurgery at the Canberra Hospital. They had performed some studies, MRI scans. Simpson was found not guilty of murder. And my concern is that with the widespread use of cell phones, I think the worst scenario would be that we get the definitive study ten years from now and we find there's a correlation. Where does the American Cancer Society, doctor, stand on this subject? In an interview with the New York Post last September, he said, "I'm feeling pretty good" and described himself as "90 percent" improved. THUN: I think it produces less emissions, but I think that this is a little bit missing the point. After graduating from UCLA, Cochran earned a law degree from Loyola University. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Dale Cochran, you have heard a lot of the discussion tonight. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Brad has a phone in his breast pocket. Furthermore, this is the public position of leading health organizations, such as the United States Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, the American Cancer Society, ACS, and the World Health Organization, WHO. D. COCHRAN: Um-hmm. And I think when I had kids, I became more interested in it, frankly. So my point is this, that, you know, if you read the studies alone, they'll say they're safe. And so just because we don't know the mechanism or the link between -- at a molecular level, between how cell phones may generate the milieu at a molecular level that results in a brain tumor does not mean that there is no mechanism. WebContact Us - The Cochran Firm Washington, D.C. | Baltimore Contact Our Washington, DC injury attorneys are waiting to help you. Also, these brain cells -- cancer cells can migrate. GUPTA: Yes, you know, I think even Dr. Khurana, you know, he looked at existing studies. Because of widespread coverage of the Simpson trial, Cochran entered the superstar realm of celebrity, reportedly receiving a $2.5 million advance to write his memoirs. 3 He died at his home in Los Angeles on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 from a brain tumor. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. All rights reserved. Dr. Gupta is our chief CNN medical correspondent, himself is a practicing neurosurgeon. KING: Somebody is scared. Next, a doctor who stands by that statement. They say that makes it the most safe. KING: No? They went down in this non- ionizing radio frequency as well, which was a good thing, I think, by everyone's admission. He was 67. I'm not sure I would advocate the Bluetooth because although it's much weaker, you are putting the antenna, the transmitter right into your ear, next to your brain. J. COCHRAN: The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt by Michael Jackson. Johnnie died March 29 2005, of a brain tumor. I initially thought it might be an infection. Is that true? Last month, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in the First Amendment case of Tory v. Cochran. ", He said other members of his defense team also deserved credit for his acquittal, but added: "Without Johnnie running the ball, I don't think there's a lawyer in the world that could have run that ball. I can think back at least five years ago when Dr. Black wore an ear piece back then. During arguments last Tuesday, justices seemed skeptical of Cochran's attorney's claim that the injunction did not violate the First Amendment. Pratt was convicted and imprisoned, while Cochran maintained that the activist was railroaded by authorities, pushing for a retrial. Click here to go to our international version. Health, food and environmental journalist; radio host, Progressive Radio Network. GUPTA: Yes, I think so. He's 91- years-old, I'm pleased to say. Every morning when I get up, when I look at all the choices of things I could be, I love being a lawyer. By the time Simpson was acquitted, Cochran and co-counsel Shapiro were on the outs. I mean, the proper way to use a phone would to be hold it like this. Cell Phones and the Death of Johnnie Cochran Johnnie Cochran's widow, Dale, and his neurosurgeon Dr. Keith Black discuss how cell phones may have led to his I mean they're invaluable, of course, as we all know. "The clients I've cared about the most are the No Js, the ones who nobody knows," said Cochran, who proudly displayed copies in his office of the multimillion-dollar checks he won for ordinary citizens who said they were abused by police. In the 1950s, he became one of two dozen black students integrated into Los Angeles High School. I use cell phones. Family members and colleagues of the legal BLACK: Similar to Senator Ted Kennedy's. GUPTA: I do. And I spoke with Johnnie and also with Dale and they flew back to Los Angeles, where we did further diagnostic studies. Cochran didn't represent him in that case. And so we have a situation with a widely used technology in which we don't have very, very long-term follow-up, and we don't have very long-term follow-up of kids. D. COCHRAN: I got concerned right away that he couldn't remember my telephone number. BLACK: Well, I think that we do not have conclusive studies, at this point, to make a scientific conclusion that there is a, you know, a definite correlation. KING: People at CNN who saw a lot of him said he was on that phone a lot. In the March 8 episode "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia," it was revealed that Johnnie Cochran's ex-wife, Barbara Jean Berry, had accused him of domestic violence, a claim which he denied. I think that there are always surprises when you have a new technology and you have hundreds of millions of people using them. GUPTA: They say, use it. KING: We're obviously going to devote more time to this. But I think that it is a question that needs to be studied and examined along with other causes of brain cancer. Crime Suspenstories (1992 Russ Cochran/Gemstone) comic books 1953 or later Gender. Amidst much debate over the case, Cochran entered the national spotlight and became a celebrity himself, making screen appearances and writing his memoirs. This is a phone people probably became most familiar with. BLACK: It does, Larry. Yet more controversy followed the lawyer when items from his personal life were publicly revealed. And with so many users and users starting at the age of three and up now, we should be concerned. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Yes. But we don't have all the answers. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: Sanjay Gupta joins us. But if you start to say well, look, wait a second, how about if it's 10 years, how about it's 20, 30, 40 years KING: We don't know yet. March 30, 2005 -- Legendary attorney Johnnie Cochran died Tuesday at age 67 while suffering from an inoperable brain tumor. These docs commented on the "Interphone study" in which thirty-five researchers from all over the world sought to correlate cell phone use with brain cancer incidence. And he was Johnnie Cochran's doctor. First, what do you think of the theory of the possibility of the cell phone causing brain cancer? It goes down to his phone. In legal circles, the verdict represented the pinnacle of success for a respected attorney who had toiled in the Los Angeles legal profession for three decades. Not from the U.S.? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) KING: Joining our panel from New York is Dr. Ted Schwartz. The Nokia a few years later, this was '98, and then '99 and then 2001. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. He still lives with me. God bless you. BLACK: Any symptom related to memory, speech, vision, movement. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. And there's really no good mechanism by which non-ionizing radiation can cause brain tumors. And that's what we've done. KING: When something happens like to Senator Ted Kennedy, that focuses more effort on it, doesn't it, more attention? After returning to private practice, Cochran built his firm into a personal injury giant with more than 100 lawyers and offices around the country. Journalist and author Jack Olsen reported that FBI "moles" had infiltrated defense sessions and monitored Cochran's phone calls. Our results suggest an association between cellular phone use and prodded gland tumors." ``I don't know why he turned against me, why he cut me off, why he would want to see me hurt,'' a tearful People might be shocked to hear that the evidence does seem to be coming more strongly in support of harmful effects." His client list included former "Diff'rent Strokes" star Todd Bridges, Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, Michael Jackson (search), who is now facing child molestation charges, and former football great Simpson. Like THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. KING: We all liked Johnnie. Cochran received hate mail and death threats. Yes, Johnnie Cochran, of O.J. DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, it's interesting, because you look at all the studies out there and most people will say, look, I mean they're fine. But -- and that's been one of the red flags that has raised concerns among people that are looking into this, whether there is a correlation because, you know, we see tumors developing in the location -- close to the location that people do use cell phones. But the bottom line question is: While we're waiting ten years to find out whether radiating RFs into the head (or the area adjacent to the genitals) is good or bad, should we suffer the inconvenience of minimizing cell phone use? His first wife, Barbara Cochran Berry, wrote her own memoir Life After Johnnie Cochran: Why I Left the Sweetest Talking, Most Successful Black Lawyer in L.A. accusing her ex-husband of cruel behaviors that included physical and emotional abuse. The experts admitted that it may take ten years for solid research outcomes to materialize. WebLindstrom visits the Burns house to return Gracie's gloves that she left on the train. And thanks to his showmanship and the notoriety of the trial, Cochran was widely lampooned on late-night talk shows, "Saturday Night Live" and "Seinfeld. Were cell This is due to failing a drug test and violating bail conditions, earlier this month. Born in Shreveport, La., the great-grandson of slaves, grandson of a sharecropper and son of an insurance salesman, Cochran came to Los Angeles with his family in 1949. He was just wonderful. When Cochran helped Pratt win his freedom in 1997 he called the moment "the happiest day of my life practicing law.". BLACK: Well, the -- in the developing brain, you have a lot more dividing nerve cells and supportive cells in the brain. But, Larry, we also know there are other environmental causes that have been related to brain tumors as well. I just think it should be something the public should know about. He is editor of MicrowaveNews.com. What do you make of it? The brain cancer rates have been flat since the introduction of cell phones. His clients also included Haitian immigrant Abner Louima, who was tortured by New York police, and Tyisha Miller, a 19-year-old black woman shot to death by Riverside police who said she reached for a gun on her lap when they broke her car window in an effort to disarm her. Experts on both sides of the issue are here and it's next. KING: Dr. Gupta, what do you make of what Dr. Khurana just said? ", The case quickly became a media circus, set in motion with the televised police pursuit of a white Ford Bronco on a Los Angeles freeway. Third, we know that the studies that have been done on brain cancer, and I'm going to distinguish brain cancer from acoustic neuroma, have largely been reassuring. Now beyond that, Larry, when Dr. Thun talks about no rise in the published incidents rates of tumors in Sweden, the strongest studies that have pointed towards links between cell phones and brain tumors have, in fact, come from Sweden. So we're not just talking about tumors, and I was not just implying brain tumors, but there are other health effects. Most people do. THUN: I think that what's still in question is the acoustic neuromas. Cochran, is perhaps best known for representing former football star Simpson during his trial on KING: Is that considered high? We could barely find them in the stores but he had one on and Johnny would say, listen if Dr. Black is wearing an ear piece, we should also. KHURANA: I do, Larry. Both defense attorneys Robert Shapiro and Johnnie Cochran believed from the outset that Simpson was guilty, Toobin says. I guess that doesn't count. And when you are actually using the phone, it should be kept at least 15 millimeters up to an inch away from your ear. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Oops -- it was a novel integrative treatment that cured the disease in children. ET) at his home in Los Angeles. It sort of drops off in terms of the amount of radiation you're exposed to. BLACK: We did a biopsy, yes. That is what they recommend. CTIA also referred to us the American Cancer Society for more comments on this topic. BLACK: I KING: I said Dane and it's Dale. This is a great, exhilarating victory for Sean Combs. KING: Quickly, doctor, because I'm running short of time. Pratt was convicted in 1972. Absolutely not. WebJohnnie Cochran's widow speaks publicly for the first time since her husband's death. In 1978, Cochran once again became part of the citys legal force when he joined the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, although he eventually returned to private practice. It gives me an opportunity to represent people who are injured. In 1994, Cochran joined Alan Dershowitz, F. Lee Bailey, Robert Shapiro, Barry Scheck and Robert Kardashian to form the core of the so-called dream team of lawyers hired to defend athlete/actor O.J. We don't know that that will necessarily be a safe practice. Joining us now from Washington, Dr. Michael Thun of the American Cancer Society, vice president of epidemiology and surveillance. GUPTA: Well KING: You had to be suspicious or why -- why bother with the earpiece? If you need to flag this entry as abusive. The following decade, Cochran won a huge, unprecedented court payment for a 13-year-old molested by an officer. But as Dr. Black used to say, use an earpiece when we're using the cell phone. They certainly cause car accidents. We don't know about thresholds. BLACK: That's considered, you know, a significant increase, although the overall incidence of brain cancer is low. Do you see, Dale, as a lay person, the possibility of cell phone use and Johnnie's illness? KING: Do you use cell phones, Dana? For years its been speculated that Super Attorney Johnnie Cochrans brain tumor was caused by his cell phone use. That's what people should do. D. COCHRAN: Yes, he was on the phone a lot. And, you know, when we were -- when I was researching for the book that you and I talked about, I looked into all of this. In some of these European studies, almost a four times increased likelihood of developing tumors like this one in people who are chronic cell phone users. ", Cochran represented former Black Panther Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt, who spent 27 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Do you think we'll have a statistical rate to link these two? There have been studies that come down on both sides of the issue. What, Dr. Khurana, does this tell us? In-universe information. D. COCHRAN: On a regular basis, yes. I use an earpiece now, as Dale Cochran talked about. "But he and his family were most proud of the work he did on behalf of those in the community.". KING: Run them down. It gives you an opportunity to do interesting things. Cochran died in Los Angeles March 29, 2005 after a long illness. It's a multi-billion dollar industry and a mounting controversy. His family was by his side and he had been in a hospice, Epps said. GUPTA: Yes, this is from the manufacturer themselves. As Dr. Gupta has pointed out, their quantification of what constitutes regular use is itself quite alarming. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. KING: Dr. Gupta, do you use a cell phone? And we immediately went to see a doctor in the next day or two. Go to CNN.com/larryking and take our quick vote. It's not uncommon in science to have conflicting articles. KING: Sanjay, what does the manual say? Settles was found hanged in his cell soon after his arrest, but when his body was exhumed and given an autopsyper Cochrans recommendationit was discovered that hed been choked to death. Simpson, reached at his home in Florida, also praised Cochran on Tuesday, saying "I don't think I'd be home today without Johnnie. BLACK: I actually received a call from Johnnie's assistant, as Dale indicated, concerned about his difficulty with memory and also some difficulty with speech. "His fight for justice transcended color, age or economic status. So here you've got a control group that uses it, and you have a user group that uses it. In a trial that involved celebrity and domestic abuse, the Simpson trial became best known for dividing the country along racial lines. And I think it's a great idea if you are worried about it. I keep coming back to it. DR. VINI KHURANA, NEUROSURGEON, THE CANBERRA HOSPITAL: I base it on the fact, Larry, that at this point in time, there's just over three billion users of cell phones worldwide. KING: You had to like Johnnie Cochran. KING: Is the Johnny Cochran Brain Tumor Center -- we were there at its opening. We'll wrap it up when we come back. Following his surgery in April 2004, Cochran began to avoid the limelight after having welcomed it for so many years. Prior to the diagnosis, he was constantly on his cell phone, but he held it to the right side of his head. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Male. So we don't know how we speak yet or think. GUPTA: It's a trip down memory lane, if you will. I loved him, and I will miss him. For example, in Australia, there are 22 million cell phones and 21 million people. Hardly anyone ever reads these safety manuals. I'm sorry. If you look at some of the studies that have been performed -- I mean one of the studies that is very concerning has been a story out of Europe that looked at a long-term exposure to the use of cell phones over a period of 10 years. If cell phone use was a factor, wouldn't there be evidence on that side?" KHURANA: I strongly disagree with Dr. Thun's perspective. GUPTA: Well, let me give you a picture here, Larry, to sort of show you this. (END VIDEO CLIP) KING: The night after the Simpson decision, Johnnie guested on this show. This is Dale's first interview since then. 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