I was in section Z. Why aren't supporters of other clubs queuing up to lay electronic tributes online? For almost 20 years they were totally financially boosted by Littlewoods Pools, which made it impossible for any other club in Europe to compete with them. I am not familiar with this chaps comments (Liverpool do it the right way) we have spent a lot of money and do little, but when it comes to finding little gems Brendan has done well. Yeah, papers like the S&n really painted Liverpool fans with a good brush. 33 subscribers This film tells the story of three footballing disasters and shows how they shaped the (already fierce) rivalry between Manchester Utd and Liverpool FC: Munich Disaster - 1958 (21. Arsenal set for first 3pm away this season - and TV fans are hating it! One real mystery surrounding Heysel is that the tragedy is even more of a taboo in Turin. I found this article very informative and brilliantly written, as well as the comments (apart from that last one)! I too recall seeing that Reds Animals banner, and also seeing fans, apparently of both sides, hanging off the fencing at the front of the terraces, trying to pull it down. When has this ever been said. Always have. Its an event that ties both clubs and will do for a long time to come. But Ill be honest my first reaction to being injured during the game was thats fine, I dont want to be out here. Gunners I respect how youve gone against this deluded blog post. He can only speak for himself and people who he knows that feel the same way as he does: He is clearly full of hatred and not a neutral. What respect the Liverpool fans have for their fellow fans. There are many sensitive issues here, but let us not pussyfoot over this one. Remarkable piece. The largest, most ludicrous myth around at this moment in time is that neutrals want Liverpool to win the league. October 20, 2021. 2005 I was in Istanbul there was no such incidents at all it was amazing. Liverpool or my club Everton did not get a mention by the press/television when it came to the antics of numerous hooligan firms. All I remember of the game was being allowed to stay up especially, to watch it on TV and being shocked at what I saw. It took ten minutes before they found out, and then asked me to pay the full museum fee to go in to pay my respects. By Posted ekologisk jord storsck In felskning parkeringssensor volvo. The families do not want their lost ones to become a cause celebre in England , particularly not when the purpose has purely been to score points on the terraces. Did you mean Liverpool fans climbing walls to get out of a crush? Clutching at straws there headhunter. The second: it was English supporters who were. Required fields are marked *. Those stampedes might have been considered standard terrace fare at the time, a token act of territorialism and intimidation, but it led innocent fans to flee in terror. Gerrard stood trial and was cleared. We all know that English football, collectively, was punished, with clubs excluded from Uefa competition. funeral directors southend; penalty charge notice costs; johns manville headquarters address; Hello world! Red and White Kop: I had experienced some scary away days in the 80s but not on this scale, I wasnt arsed that we had won a European Cup, I just wanted to get home safe. Try again later. Firstly, this myth has been mooted by pundits and press men. Hey did you know that Arsenal havent even won the European Cup? 'I was given an armed guard for my own safety in hospital and the game should never have been played', Follow the latest transfer news and more with our LFC newsletter. It was a moving moment of real reconciliation. !.Have u picked Gerrard up off his arse yet?Steve Gerrard GerrardHe slipped on his fucking arse he gave it to Demba baetc etc etc CTID! We dont need reciprocation but the lack of it undermines Liverpools great history. Respect to liverpool from juventus supporter, Yeah you really sound Italian Chuck2 seasons of poor quality football,1st M Utd & now Liverpool playing gung ho crapno quality and one season wonders. This is progress. Irrelevant. And yet none of this diminishes the clubs or the supporters right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later. The prosecutions stemmed from television camera footage of the charge the third such charge in a matter of minutes that led directly to the deaths of those 39 innocent spectators. Tottenham: 51 by The Anfield Wrap | May 29, 2013 | Featured Writing, Footie, Heysel, Hillsborough | 37 comments, NOW that the lies, the smears and cruel myths about the Hillsborough disaster have been exposed once and for all, those who clung to them out of warped tribalism have but one straw left to clutch. They had fewer games last season when they finished 7th, still a benefit? Is it any wonder you only have a mere 1700 twitter followers. Perhaps a podcast might be in order sometime, with a guest from the now disbanded Association for the Victims of Heysel (Lorentini? From a selfish point of view, we knew where our family and friends were all sat and had identified they were safe. It ended up at five years, with Liverpool serving a sixth as punishment for their supporters behaviour at Heysel. You would hope not. Liverpool fans are certainly not good sportsmen, they are the shame of English football. 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If you think police doctoring paperwork and giving false evidence, killed the 96 then you are more stupid than I thought. Although I was still groggy from the op, it didnt take long for me to work out he was there for my own protection from angry Italians. Rodgers has had just over a season in charge. I was shown a copy of the clubs official yearbook for 1985/86. Liverpool: 270m UEFA, organizers, stewards, police, LFC fans, Juve Fans. The key reason why Liverpool are 'the neutrals favourite' (although we have already debunked this myth) is due to them doing it the right way. That has always saddened me. And lets look at expenditure over the last 5 years: Man City: 512m As for Heysel, if you look at the footage barely a fight took place. It wasn't their fault that those fans died, it was the fault of the stadium. CTID. Its weird that a tragedy like this, at a televised showcase final is so under-reported and unexamined. A lot of us were party to the fact Peter Robinson, Liverpools then chief executive, had sent a telegram, as they used in those days, to UEFA regarding ticket allocation at the end where the tragedy happened. Sorry you didnt get Suarez. what happens if i ignore a ccj; as a liverpool fan i found this article linked in newsnow and cant help but feel embarrassed for the decent arsenal fans out there. By this stage, English supporters were regarded across Europe as such animals that shock was expressed at how the authorities had played into their hands. Michaels Shields? Memorial tributes have become such an ubiquitous part of English football that you wonder sometimes why black armbands aren't sown into the players' shirts. I think if you ask Scousers, Not Liverpool fans, Scousers he is commonly known as Stevie Me, never heald in as high regard as Carra. its just a game for gods sake. But I have always felt Liverpool FCs limited support and shirking from the truth of Heysel a disgrace. And its a joke, that liverpool are trying to intimate that this has been done on a shoestring!! @ Schwarzie Long, if you were in a taxi, why would you be asking for directions. LFC fans really love to gloss over the fact that Gerrard wanted to leave LFC for Chelsea, for example. We didnt want to play. IBT UK Morning Brief - Let the best of International News come to you. Billionaires in their own right. The lack of a full and proper inquiry has also led to a lot of misconceptions too it seems, particularly among younger fans. I think more people need to read it!! Anybody who relies on the blogs of biased people rather than researching something themselves is a prick. But you cant hate the beautiful game forever and in 96 I travelled again, to Rome this time, and saw Juve lift the trophy in joyous circumstances. Some tried to climb a wall to escape. Also, as Oliver Kay pointed out in this article (http://www.theanfieldwrap.com//what-about-justice-for/) the Belgian authorities did not check tickets and just waved people into the stadium. Posted on . Learn how your comment data is processed. Each of the main newspapers publishes an interview with someone who survived, along with an op-ed about the quest for justice. Two days later Uefa announced an indefinite ban on English clubs. Your email address will not be published. Look at how Everton FC and majority of their fans react and respect, they know too well it could have been them had they been drawn to play at Hillsborough and not Villa. Only a few hundred caused the trouble that led to the deaths, Uefa were partly culpable for the stadium choice, ticket allocation and the stadium authorities for the pathetic segregation of fans & policing. Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool 's history. What a joke! Maybe we could be doing more to cement those ties, rather than it being an event that divides us. Having spotted the headline, I was genuinely intrigued by this article. ), a Juve fan or two, or an author of one of the few books written on Heysel? We have much common ground here when it comes to not just Heysel, but with regards Hillsborough also. A service was held in Liverpool the following week and I can honestly say I dont remember anything from it. Thanks for posting this fellas, I had not read the full piece before. I mean, he did run a kid over.. he didnt mean to, but he did. Acting as if they have got where they are based on youth and spending little is a false statement. It's easy to see why Juventus fans would believe this is lenient, just as the Hillsborough families condemn the authorities' failure to punish the police officers who caused the carnage on Leppings Lane. Spurs were charged 65 for the 3rd round and Coventry 25.50 in the 4th round. Something fishy about your story. The coach was reported to have had a Justice for the 96 flag in its window. Just as any set of English fans could have been the victims at Hillsborough, any set of English fans could have been the perpetrators at Heysel. In the reports of the game there dis no mention of the disaster, just that penalty! Chelsea: 52 Potrebbe essere la pi bella azione di Michel Platini .. Grazie per aver il tempo di rispondere e di procedere a tali commenti riflessivo. The entire incident affected both city and fans. Liverpool fan telling the reporter that fake tickets were being used to gain entry by liverpool fans and this was also to another liverpool fan who had used a fake ticket. As to whether individuals were brought to account, 27 arrests were made on suspicion of manslaughter and 26 men were charged. Prior to Heysel the violence that season was at Millwall, Chelsea, West Ham and Leeds. I have held a season ticket for 27 years and go to a lot of away games especially London as I emigrated from Merseryside 12 years ago. I am a Chelsea fan who has been going to games for over 50 years now and I vividly remember the Liverpool chairman of the time, blaming Chelsea fans for causing the violence. Whilst the world mourns those who lost their lives at Hillsborough, Liverpool fans quite happily sing and gloat about the Munich disaster. Maybe the Scouse Nicklas Bendtner. It was very, very strange. Chelsea are the big club in London now, Nice to hear Liverpool respecting other disasters like the Bradford Fire at the weekend by not even acknowledging it.touch of class as usual from self pity city, I have reazd a lot valuable articles ere. Ciao, scrivo dallItalia. Justice for Heysel? no offense). There is an annual indication and vindication of such hypocrisy every time the Kop allows the Bucharest 1986 flag to proudly fly. We all know beyond a doubt he wanted to leave; he released a statement to that end. They have spent less than Chelsea and City, and the reason Man Utd and Arsenal havent spent is because of the Glazers and their well documented financial problems in the USA, and Wengers frugality and reluctance in the transfer market. This is the real reason why the lovable scallys are hated at Stamford Bridge. I think the guy has made this one up himself. algoma university careers; iron concretions in sandstone; dewalt dc012 radio will not turn on Heysel: May 29th 1985 On May 29, 1985, defending European Champions Liverpool and Cup Winners Cup holders Juventus were to meet at the Heysel Stadium, Brussels, in the 30th European Cup Final. Liverpool are top of the league, thats it. You get the feeling UEFA has been only too keen to sweep Heysel under the carpet and consign it to history, rather than face up to its own failings on the night. having dislike is one thing, but what brings hate to these. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. 14 Liverpool fans got jailed for a whopping 18.months and just one month before the . Last match of the 1976 season, Wolves v Liverpool. in the meantime, you can keep your hate whilst we move forward. It makes my blood boil, as it just completely irrelevant on the 15th April, our respects are paid every year on May 30th. Maybe he is pissed off the former Gunners legend Lee Dixon has shown his true colors in being a huge City fan. Whenever as a group of players we get together, we never, ever mention Heysel. At first, the messages were mixed. chicago booth grading curve; ezekiel elliott average rushing yards per game To be fair, fuck the royal family, and if you disagree you are a backwards twat!! Although I was not present at Heysel,I had the misfortune to be on the ostende ferry with fans travelling to Heysel.I amongst many were subjected to some of the worst behaviour I have ever witnessed on a cross channel ferry.Many innocent holiday makers,many with children had their luggage stolen/robbed and then throw overboard.The ship itself was trashed and a trail of destruction left behind,this continued on the train to Brussels(I was travelling to cologne).It was also very apparent that a sgnificant proportion of the travelling fans were from other football clubs and were travelling purely for the mayhem and violence,which seems to have been the norm in Europe for English football fans at this time.Heysel was the personification of all that was wrong with English football in the eighties. I cannot be doing with Redknapp and as someone who doesnt own sky I couldnt really comment. Thats all you needed to say. Chelsea: 410m It is a black mark and it will be there forever. and 39 innocent victims lost their lives. Never seen such a hateful biased article in a while. There have always been arseholes who fight at football matches and travel just for that (West Hams inter City form for one). :(. A total of 14 fans were found guilty of manslaughter, and given three-year suspended sentences. But what about Heysel, the other major tragedy involving Liverpool fans in the 1980s? I cannot remember the last time I heard Liverpool fans sing about Munich, maybe he is getting us mixed up with Leeds fans. It is in a place where there is a continuous recording of singing and shouting at the Juve success and is in such a place that most folk just go straight by it. Heysel is a huge stain on Liverpool s history. A few years ago I read a blog by a LFC fan who was present, and described with searing honesty the attitude among a section of fans (himself included), looking for revenge for the previous year, or just for a good fight. Liverpool: 40. after a particularly nasty derby with recriminations flying and trying to educate people to what happened, I found your article. Anyone who has watched Being: Liverpool will know he certainly is not a genius. over-generalization a whole group of people, just because of the indiscretions of some mindless idiots(who are very much in the minority btw) and use it as an excuse to hate those people and wishing death upon them. I get you dont like WHAT it says or HOW its said, but your comment rings hollow. That they represent the English game with aplomb. We appear to have done great things linking up with other fans abroad, the liaisons with Borrusia and the Gate 21 supporters group being great examples, but guess Juve has been a bit nervy to approach as outlined in the article. Having read this and an article by Tony Evans (which this seems to draw from) it seems to contrast with the article from TTT above which largely focuses away from the fans and points to the authorities. This is a good, well reasoned article, not afraid to pull its punches. Unfortunately these were innocent fans, Juve have to share some blame if not UEFA for using a crumbling stadium using chicken wire for segregation. Pingback: David Moyes and the implications for Arsenal | She Wore A Yellow Ribbon. Their reckless behaviour is an accident waiting to happen. Post links disproving everything thats said in the article; Id be (genuinely) interested as a matter of discourse. Fact. madewell brand ambassador. Your email address will not be published. The coach driver advised us to lie on top of each other in the isle to protect us from missiles being thrown through the broken windows as we left the city. As it is apologetic, on aniverserys. CTID. Sorry, with regards to the above comment it was more 250,000+ that lined the streets to welcome the team home, still no reports of any trouble though. It was surreal. There are two very obvious reasons for this widespread reluctance to talk about Heysel. Suppose they only show the match on TV, I SAW the coach.Still u ended up with ur usual FUCK ALLCheers Stevie!! Tel. A total of 34 people were arrested and questioned with 26 Liverpool fans being charged with manslaughter the only extraditable offence applicable to events at Heysel. Within hours the FA, under pressure from the government, announced that no English club would play in the following seasons Uefa competition and that of course included Everton, denied a tilt at the European Cup, and Norwich City, denied a first ever European campaign. He is the Scouse John Terry. 2. But we have come from a very dark place, and it shouldn't be asking too much for us to go back there once a year. It seems difficult for the modern day football fan to understand, but hooliganism in those days was sadly normal. British football fans had earned quite a sorry reputation at home and abroad. If you think that windows only ever get smashed at Anfield then you obviously dont get to many games Michael. As for the child being run over, that was dealt with by Gerrard and again, is irrelevant to Liverpool or football. As for justice, an initial inquiry by Marina Coppieters, a leading Belgian judge, found after 18 months that the police and the authorities, in addition to Liverpool supporters, should face charges. But 10 against 1 is the act of a coward regardless of what word were spoken. Many have grown up with Liverpool gloating over the last 30 years. As for fewer games being a benefit, thats pure conjecture. Change). Personalmente quella coppa la considero solo una amara statistica, e penso che nessuno sano di mente la possa associare ad una vittoria delluna o ad una sconfitta dellaltra squadra. An error has occurred; the feed is probably down. I remember being waved into the stadium by the police without being asked to show our tickets, and at a time when Liverpool were usually the only English club in Europe, I remember being on the ferry to France, with people wearing Liverpool scarves, but with tee shirts bearing the name of one or two other English teams underneath, so John Smith was right about that. On the anniversary of the day of the Hillsborough disaster, you always have somebody throw in well what about paying respect for the 39 that Liverpool Fans murdered. Even as a Liverpool fan that pisses me off. It is difficult to find by accident! Equally I am not familiar with this Liverpool are doing it the right way? There was bewilderment, too, at the choice of stadium. Everyone was to blame. Ours were certainly not checked. There were two articles about the tragedy on page three, but they were both of the Lets put this behind us, improve the matchday Anfield atmosphere and look to restore the clubs good name variety. http://tomkinstimes.com/2013/05/heysel-25-years-on-book-extract/, Subscribe to The Anfield Wrap for more reaction to Crystal Palace 0 Liverpool 0, as well as reaction to all the news and events that matter to you, Tackling Online Homophobia In Football: TAW Special. After it went quiet we headed towards the ground only to be chased by a large mob throwing bottles and stones at us, luckily we bumped into older Liverpool fans who helped us to safety. Sure its been a long time since we won the league, but Id like to think if we didnt win ANYTHING for nine years I wouldnt end up as butthurt as you obviously are. We reluctantly agreed. I know that this was somewhere between a knee-jerk response and an attempt to reclaim that offensive description, but it sounded awful. Liverpool are a great club, but their fans have always been a disgrace, we see it time and time again, they have no respect for any other club or its supporters and as we have all just seen after their first Premier league win in 30 years, nothing changes in the violence and destruction which was apparent in and around the City centre. i normally do not like to comment but felt sick by this piece, especially by the Hillsborough jibe made by some commenters. When Alan Smith broke his leg in 2006, those kind hearted Liverpool fans threw beer cans at the ambulance, blocked its progress, and attempted to turn it over. The Heysel Stadium disaster, 29 May 1985 View gallery I stayed overnight and in the morning Roy Evans came back to try and sneak me out but to no avail, not least as the only clothing he had to. all i can say is i hope you guys do not represent the majority of arsenal fans. Chelsea lost 49.4 million. 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