As for Furtick saying; God is a molecular structure that fills all in all in all, and that thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? Another might be that Jesus, in some sense, rewards faith with action. Thats the issue as far as I am concerned. One of the most common problems among false teachers today is that they change the focus of the gospel from God to humanity. I welcome your thoughts! Steven Furtick is an excellent communicator. The question is not whether the unbelief of many in Nazareth stopped Jesus from doing more miracles. The post has since been deleted from Furtick's social media channels. >> So no, modalism is not a false doctrine. Im well, thanks. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Second, Jesus did not set the Law aside, and He did not break the Law. In context, Furtick is teaching about how we see ourselves versus how God sees us. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. When people do that, we put them on medication. As there has never been, nor ever will be any man that (past, present, future) has ever received such abundance of revelations, so that there can never really be any comparison. When you find where God wants you, it will be satisfying and rewarding and frustrating and youll need patience and grace and perseverance because the church is filled with broken people who are in the middle of being put back together. Thanks, Thomas. Matthew 24 gives us more: But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. He made them all go outside. That God might use Furtick is easy to understand. I never assume someone is saved,born again because they like to debate Gods Word. Thanks for visiting GodWords! When false teachers do it, they compound their misquotations with false theology doubling down on irresponsibility with more irresponsibility. Christianity seems pretty boring (to some people) after listening to false teachers explain that God doesnt judge them, that God wants them to be rich, that they have the power inside themselves to live an amazing life, and so on. If not, then you would agree that Furticks statement about Gods nature is wrong. Yes, we do not agree, but right, using KJV word limit was an honest mistake, but hard to lose ones self from it, especially when growing up in the 60s with that one being the top seller. Thanks for letting me know. Express your opinion! Furtick stands at a height of 5 feet 9 inches(Approx.1.75m) tall and weighs 72kgs(158lbs). The same goes for non-Christian teachings from Word of Faith folks and NAR folks. The Word of God also describes Jesus in these ways: >> Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. I wonder, Joann: who do you think I should listen to? For mature, well-educated believers, there is less danger than for others. All three have attributes that only God has. He seems to believe what hes saying. So #1 is debunked. Atheists will say that God does not exist. It is not OUR FAITH that allows us to be healed. ( Not knocking either, it was just different to what I was use to.) We cant know them all, as God has not revealed them to us. Instead, we see in Scripture that God is sovereign, that there are none like Him, that there are none above Him, and so on. As for asking if I agree with him, that God broke the law for love, have you forgotten, I already shared earlier about that (look above); They looked at Raleigh, and at Jacksonville, Fla. I want you to know the Scriptures. Im very comfortable with that. I always wonder what they do with the verses about Jesusbaptism where all three members of the Trinity are present at one time. This is pretty basic, and every Word of Faith teacher including Steven Furtick does it. By the way: Leviticus 15 doesnt even come close to suggesting that the woman was under threat for breaking the law. We dont want to fall into the same kinds of errors that false teachers fall into that is, reading a passage and then drawing conclusions that dont match the context. This is nonsense. Thanks. The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. The implication, of course, is that regular Christians do not. Furtick and his wife built a home on 19 acres of land in Waxhaw, North Carolina, a suburb of Charlotte in 2013. Every month after, your gift will be charged on the same day as you subscribed (your bank's rules may vary). He is wrong about the Trinity. He was able to. Gabriel, in. Heres the order of modalism: website creator Elevation Church Pastor Steven Furtick told his congregation Sunday that he was sorry for any uncomfortable conversations they may have been forced to have about his controversial new Waxhaw home. Neither do I. In relation to his saying; I sought the Lord three times, that it might depart from me., I then think of the woman who followed Paul around bugging him to no end, repeatedly saying; These men are servants of the most High God, Acts 16:16-18, were in he handled that spirit, commanding it to come out of her in the name of Jesus, yet not this one, again, (because he knew the purpose); lest I be exalted above measure. If he really is biblically trinitarian, he should know better than to explain anything about the trinity that could be misconstrued as Sabellianism. Iron really cant sharpen iron without friction. I am struck by how several people irresponsibly and incorrectly used various verses or created their own paraphrases around the concept of judging, knocking you for judging. And, each person that commented with something to that effect seemed emotional, whereas other comments of disagreement seemed more calm rational theological discussions. Truly, thats implied throughout both the Old Testament and the New Testament and its one of the ways we know which teachings are true and which are false. If you disagree, I struggle to imagine why you would continue to argue about whether Furtick should be trusted to teach the gospel. Recently, I was watching a message by Pastor Steven Furtick, who is a fellow Southern Baptist Church planter and senior pastor of Elevation Church, which is also affiliated with the same. Muslims will say that Allah is perfect. He is 41 years old as of 2021. A new grant aims to preserve it. It shows that youre hungry for the true things of God, that you really want to see Gods people living like Gods people, that you feel anxiety over how many lost people are being led farther astray. Gentleness and respect (1 Peter 3:15) is important. A defining feature of most Word of Faith teachers is known as the little gods doctrine. He's clearly a gifted communicator, and - based on the growth of his congregations - likely a gifted leader as well. See what God says and then compare that with what you currently believe. Will be a week or so. She is only sleeping. But they (the doubters) laughed at Him. We need to be careful to avoid presuming Gods mind. As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. Ill address your use of Acts 5:38-39 first. I hope you wont just take my word for any of this, but will continue to search the Scriptures and make sure that what youre hearing matches what God has already said. Eternal security, tongues, Can we still fellowship without compromising our beliefs. Multnomah Books. This ministry doesnt need a building to do Gods work, San Diego Catholic diocese ponders bankruptcy with sex-abuse lawsuits pending, Church of England considers whether to stop referring to God as he, Pope puts pressure on politicians, urges peace on 6-day Africa trip. There are older translations that do render tava as limit, but thats not what the word means. Some are saved through Steven Furticks ministry but not solely because of what he teaches. Yes heresy touches the doctrines of the Church not the mistakes of theologizing, Trinity is such central doctrine about God. If you throw the ball, you are not the ball. What other, in your opinion, false teachers have you written about?? He needed someone to show His nature through, so He made me and you. Do you believe that God is a molecular structure? Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly, It is for your good that I am going away. The very nature of the gospel is that Jesus died in our place, so Furticks error on this matter touches on the most important subjects in Scripture. The Law said that the wages of sin is death. Seems to me it is a pure case of it. God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Is it okay to sing the songs, but not go to the concert? Heres what we know from the passage itself, from history, and simple logic: Because Revelation is usually the last book in the compilation of books we call the New Testament, we have a natural tendency to see it as the summation of what came before. My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Youre right when you say Im not more important than you are. Elevation pastor is not wrong at all. There are two primary ways that people interpret Scripture. Second: who does it apply to? He bares his heart in vs 2-14 as an example for what it means to fix our eyes on Jesus. Pastor Steven Furtick, lead Pastor of Elevation Church. Right, Jesus did miracles to show he was God the Son, as in, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. These were not unbelievers, but believed and even asked for Jesus to come heal Lazarus. Yes, were made in Gods image. Does being wrong confidently wrong mean hes not saved? The idea that if there is evidence of Gods blessing this is proof of his approval. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Ephesians 3:18-20. Not getting respect is a symptom of unbelief, which will result in let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. (James 1:7) exactly which happened here in Mark 6:5,6. Notice that I did not say separate, but distinct. Some oneness folks think that the doctrine of the Trinity is that there are three separate beings who are God. One of the main issues that cause both false teaching and teaching in error is reading verses out of context. He was making himself known by his visual works of power, as he told the evil hearted Scribes ; For whether is easier, to say, your sins be forgiven you; or to say, Arise, and walk? Is that really a problem? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. WE DO NOT SAVE OURSELVES. Thanks. I wish you well, and hope that you will reach out if I can help you in any way. Im sorry to hear about your crisis of faith, truly. We shouldnt reject our weaker brothers and sisters but we shouldnt join them in their weaker faith, either. =). Wommack, like every other Word of Faith teacher, claims that the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. With respect, youve mischaracterized me in an important way. With all due respect, Word of Faith teachers ALWAYS demote God and elevate us. As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. As Paul notes, our glorified bodies will be just like His so, as far as Scripture is concerned, Jesus still has a body at this moment. Its hard, because some of the music IS good. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus, in no sense, changed forms at the ascension. Matthew 26 gives us more: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Of course, those are entirely irrelevant as to whether hes a false teacher. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. Take Elevation's recent goal of 1,000 "spontaneous baptisms" the kind people don't know they're going to get when they show up for church in their street clothes. Are you simply discussing one particular theological point because its interesting? YES or NO. The Father existed, and the Son existed, and the Holy Spirit existed, before anything was created. In searching for answers I found Furticks podcast, and I have to say that some of his sermons spoke to me deeply. Was named last year to the SuperSoul 100 by the Oprah Winfrey Network. Instead, the New Testament is chock full of instruction and correction about how Christians should live, think, and act AFTER were saved. A Bok Kai bonanza: Marysville set to host one of the largest Bok Kai festivals to date, Plumas Lake man to be sentenced in case of pure evil, Animals in and out of control: Yuba and Sutter counties clarify common animal complaints, Marysville man serving time for attempted murder dies in prison, Marysville SJS champs: Faith Christian School girls claim D-VI title, Chili cook-off heats up Yuba City Moose Lodge, Marysville woman celebrates 100th birthday, Livestock auction returns to Colusa fairgrounds. I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I wonder: why do you think that almost all of the books in the New Testament warn Christians to watch out for false teachers? Elevation pastor is not wrong at all While I appreciate the graciousness of wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt, there are (at least) three problems with this idea. Its at the very beginning of the video. GodWords isnt really about me, so theres not much but you can find some info in the About GodWords pages, and my personal Facebook and Twitter accounts are linked at the top of every page. As his young flock streamed into the auditorium of Providence High School in Charlotte, N.C., one Sunday morning last month, the Rev. v13 says Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. Jesus healed this invalid who had no faith, HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW HIM! The son is NOT the Father, nor is He the Spirit. The issue of Furticks misquotation and conclusions about the text isnt the biggest issue, but it does point to a common problem for him and other false teachers: they feel comfortable saying what the Bible doesnt say. The question is whether Steven Furtick is a faithful teacher who repeats what Jesus taught. Of course it does its all over the gospels. And as Im reading your comments. How many have only joined a church , gotten baptized, confirmed without being convicted. From my perspective, the only possible way that this would NOT be deceptive and manipulative is if the volunteers stayed in their seats until Furtick (or some other leader) asked the volunteers to get up and take their positions to help those who sincerely wanted to be baptized. Here are a few verses: I could go on, of course. In this case, I consider it helpful to provide a general warning. The scripture are flush with such scripture, and I shared many in my last response, as truly all things (healing, deliverance, and salvation, which is the greatest miracle) are possible, but one has to believe! I thought He could do anything. It said, He could not. He wanted to. This is serious business. Fill out this form to submit a Letter to the Editor. Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. He teaches that God created a good Law, then broke His own Law, and did it because He loves us. In Numbers 11, Moses doubted that Gods plan to feed meat to the Israelites would work. Not just theological stuff, but ALL true things. >> Actually, the Word of God teaches that there is only ONE Spirit who is God. THAT is the purpose of this article: to help people understand that Steven Furtick is not a trustworthy teacher of Scripture. The simple truth is that I dont want you to trust me, Ryan. Obedience is very, very important but there are some churches that teach that a single act of disobedience will cause the Holy Spirit to leave you, losing your salvation. Those things might include speaking in a foreign tongue, or healing, or something as simple as gaining insight into how to explain the gospel to someone. No, no, no no no no no noooo. The term family is singular. We should say what the Bible says, and we should not say what the Bible does not say. He gained popularity in 2006 when his church gave $40,000 to members in envelopes with $5, $20, and even $1,000, telling them to spend it kindly on others. https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/obstacle-unbelief. All three took part in creation. He has no inside. The Holy Spirit is spirit. False teachers often try to make us read the Bible to see how God is trying to bless us. But, why this buffeting? Youre gonna have to get to a place where what you believe in your heart is more real than what a doctor says, more real than what your body says. I mean no offense by this, Mercy. I would have to say, however, that the first quote hardly contributes to a little gods doctrine such as taught by Mr. Copeland, Mr Hinn, Mrs Meyers, etc. I wouldnt suggest that one add up the number of doctrinal errors to determine whether someone is a false teacher. Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. They were all involved in the creation, for example. For example: Jehovahs Witnesses may glorify Jesus, but not the Jesus described in the Bible. First: what does this passage actually SAY? What happens when the group that created your favorite worship song comes to town and gives a concert, and teaches and preaches throughout the concert? I would rather be saved , on my way to heaven and be ignorant of some biblical truths than be a man of knowledge but yet unconverted. I called this me-ology, instead of theology. I hope youll take all of this in the spirit in which it was written: from one brother to another, with respect, and even a little fun. If Jesus (the Son) is only the form that God took to carry out functions for man, why did the Son exist before man did? Jude gives us the definition of apostasy with examples, so we have the necessary information to discern between the example of Pauls ministry and those examples presented by Jude. Furtick launched Elevation Church in 2006. In this case, to anyone and everyone. I have nothing personal against him, and I dont know whether hes saved. God's Got Your Back Part 2. How many people do you bring to GOD every week? Why would the gospel of John say And the Word was with God, and the Word was God ? The only way to change anyones bad idea is to offer them a better idea, and for them to take it. This describes his nature, just as soul the combination of body and spirit describes ours. Let me know if you have any questions. So, were do you get Jesus was entirely powerless from : He was able to and The power of God was in Nazareth? If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. In other words, God mostly withheld His power from the stiff-necked people who held Jesus in contempt. Yet that is not true, for the word is clear; John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does notbelieve,I do not judge him; forI did not come to judge the world but to save the world. When He doesnt, we shouldnt present our thoughts as if theyre His thoughts. Jesus is the head of the church, and Hes chosen to use us to accomplish His goals. I find it no surprise people such as yourself, doing anything to rip apart a man who is chosen by Father God to bring millions and millions of people to Jesus Christ, as he has done with Pastor Furtick. Also who died and left you in charge of judging anyone? (He mentioned Rocky IV in his sermon last Sunday and in a recent Facebook Live. "We knew it was not in desperate need for more churches. This belief talks about the nature of God. From Ligonier (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/obstacle-unbelief). Any insights with this is much appreciated. Unfortunately, thats where it ends. Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. Go find them! Ill ask you, quite simple: do you agree with this statement made by Steven Furtick? Okay, I have taken enough of your time. God is not molecular, but rather, God made molecular! Paul wanted to be healed, but lacked sufficient faith. Will God honor His word regardless of who presents it ? Good question. Although each member of the Trinity serves different functions, they each possess equal power and authority. But, I also do not agree nor do I know where you get, I suggest that Paul knew less about following Jesus than I. I also did not initiate the idea Paul needed to be humbled, as I got that from Paul, who said that about himself; Lest I should be exalted above measure at the beginning of verse, 2 Corinthians 12:7 and to make it clear, he then repeated, Lest I should be exalted above measure again at the end of same verse. Have a great day! If you have iTunes and it doesn't open automatically, try opening it from your dock or Windows task bar. Its no coincidence that the book of Jude is just before the Book of Revelation. Every pastor gives their interpretation of what the Bible is saying (Ive been a licensed minister, so youre talking about me). Word of Faith teachers twist the Scriptures to say something that God has never said. To animals? Thats the ONLY reason Ive written about people like Steven Furtick people CAN be deceived, ARE BEING deceived, and Christians are called to contend for the gospel. But he went, and met Jody Jennings. I would love to amend their article to show that they have changed what they teach. Gods power was not trapped in their unbelief. That elevates us higher than the Scriptures indicate, and limits God in ways the Scriptures dont. Less than three years after launching Elevation, a pop culture-friendly church with an orthodox Christian message, the S.C.-born Furtick has powered it onto the Top 10 list of fastest-growing evangelical churches in America, as determined by Outreach magazine. The fact that you said to pray for Furtick speaks for itself. Thank you for your encouraging words, Josh. Being made in Gods image does not mean that we share all of His attributes. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. Jesus cannot override someones unbelief. I dont say that to say that Im right, but to point to the objective fact that what Furtick teaches, and what youve repeated, simply contradicts Scripture. The topic of this article is the false teaching of Steven Furtick. . I is the first person, You is the second person, They is the third person. "It's where the pastor gets his game face on.". Is Steven Furtick TRYING to pervert the gospel, or has he simply not yet been led into all truth? You need fellowship with real Christians, and they need fellowship with you. But as for, thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning? I wonder whether hed really like me after finding out that Ive written about him. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. No, Thomas I dont want to have the final say. Jesus healed people because of the faith of others. But we still felt that God had given us a message and a vision that would serve the city well.". Even Sproul (who you quoted earlier) does so by saying The circumstances by which God the Holy Spirit unleashed [Christs] power were not available there, because there was a judgment of God on the town of Nazareth. Im not attacking Furtick. By grace ye are saved, and that is a mighty work, but it is through faith, (Eph. In Matthew 13:53-58 Jesus is in His hometown, and Hes not getting the same kind of response there that He got elsewhere. Here are 10 facts about him. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. Thanks, Thanks for your patience. Feel free to build yourself a palace full of nickels. I hope that you will begin a serious study not of oneness theology, or of trinitarian theology, but of Scripture. Ive been wondering why people say hes a false teacher. I recently worked with a retired pastor, and our topic was discipleship. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. But, you are saying he did this by a sovereign act of his will, how can that be, since he specifically said; according to your faith be it unto you, as even your answer to such question, does our faith play a part in how God interacts with us, including healings. He holds a master of divinity degree from Southern . As Ive written in What is a False Teacher, I want to be careful, and I dont see these teachers as my enemies only as people who need to be seen, assessed, critiqued, and understood. We are not kept in the dark about the truth of the gospel. The scroll in question is a scroll of prophecy. That excludes a number of books in the Bible, since not all are prophetic. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. One strategy is to ask questions in a different context. Im more likely to listen to someone who doesnt point fingers. Thats enough to condemn Furticks statement. While much of what Furtick teaches is true, too much of it is not and the things he gets wrong are big things: the character of God, His ability to do things, our ability to thwart Him, and so on. Its not always wrong or bad, but its a good way to run into trouble. This is also true. Which goes along with; That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:16,17.Here is the Spirit and Christ mentioned in the same verse, showing oneness John spoke of, the one in the inner man and the other in the heart. In and of itself, that should be enough to avoid him. No, that is most definitely NOT what Jesus said. Because it was trapped in their unbelief. That says more than anything you or I can say. There are plenty of Scriptures about not rejecting other believers simply because they dont yet understand all that Jesus taught. But its the speeking that gets him every time. You are not the hero of every Bible story. Yes, youre setting him up. Hes clearly a gifted communicator, and based on the growth of his congregations likely a gifted leader as well. What IS the question? Furtick is, quite simply, wrong: God can, and often does, override our unbelief. Dont bother commenting or emailing me about how Im just wrong. Pray for discernment. Furtick misquotes the passage. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 mph.. See, up until now I have walked with you, but when I send my spirit, I will be in you. Christ in you, the hope of glory Colossians 1:27 Yet not as I will, but as you will. Steven and Holly are blessed with three children; two sons, Elijah and Graham, and a daughter, Abbey. Why say that He AND the Father would indwell us, rather than simply saying I? Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 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