Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Youre not Shanann Watts. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. Page 535 It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Thoughts? She was an environmental science person. He was a mechanic. This whole thing is terrible. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. So completely terrible. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. Where was all the money from that house? I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. 1. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Chris only saw things with one lense. His mom I think knew about it prior. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. And where do you think he did it? It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. Bella Watts Autospy Report Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! Even the few days shannan was gone. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. Hello everyone, They manipulate, connive and plot. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Chris was ocd also. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" People with OCD have rituals. Thankyou. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. @Lisa oh hell, if your description is an accurate one for a diagnosis of OCD, then I reckon I have it too! Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. This would explain how she didnt fight! My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Chris is a monster. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Perhaps they had one via phone or text. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. 1. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. The DA mentioned that. Thats inaccurate. How was she with her phone? He vacuumed twice a day. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. Ugh. To do her business? > Most do not, really? Like someone took over his body. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. First of all- the digestive tract is long. All but her office. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. could also suggest a Stranglehold. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Police photoA sheet was found near where Shanann was buried. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. Like a scene from Friday the 13th. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Chris Watts isnt my hero. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? There was no oil in Ceces stomach. What about rigormortis? He was asleep. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Googled ways to suffocate children? Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Meanwhile, the part of your brain that regulates involuntary functions is shutting down. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Thats why no defense wounds. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? I actually tried this with my husband. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. It could be all the thrive he was taking. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. So wheres the problem here? The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. They didnt do date nights. I meant three perfectly formed humans. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. @nickvdl Hi. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. CeCe was face down no oil inside her. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. And then it was turned off. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? B . During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. Blood Alcohol. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. But legally it was in Chriss name. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. give me a break. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. Or putting her down. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. I did. Mark, that is really interesting! Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? So weird. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. She was always busy. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Kaye, this sounds plausible. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Rude person. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. Frank and Sandy Rzucek, and their son Franky, tell CBS4 they have been physically, emotionally and financially exhausted by unfounded claims by conspiracy theorists who believe they played roles . The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Remember, she was pregnant. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. Then again she was dressed for bed. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. Page 453 I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. These people cant tell the truth about anything. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Good point! Good to have a former forensic detective around. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. Shed been drinking?? He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. He just switched. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Chris is dead inside. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. He then pursued and strangled her there. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Just a thought. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. 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