Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Willow wont even list Mars Hill on Steve Carters website bio. So done. Sovereign Grace Ministries These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. Does it lend itself to the overall problem? Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. Not a word. Hybels has barely spoken anything about his married life and rarely has appeared in the media with his wife. I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. This one is so true. Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. So they fell in line with the One World system, befriended evil people and embraced Satans (the worlds) ways. Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. etc. I happened to meet the other womans husband, and I suppose the megapastor considered him a type C or D leader and didnt often invite him along. Thats a laugh. How does one explain it? The FAQ document she links, however, entitled Willow Creek Response to Local Media, has mysteriously transformed itself into a 404 NOT FOUND message. I was deeply wounded and deeply burdened with guilt and self anger. Well, it is a known fact that Hybels is a married man. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. The principles are sound, thoughwell enough to be applied to anyone's marriage, especially those looking to place God in the middle. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. However it can also be decentralized and setup so that only the sender and receiver can read and no backdoor (and even they cant read if they lose the keys). If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. . Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. Amen! If interested, I posted more material, links, analysis, and some leads to Dan Brennans thoughts on anxious egalitarianism, on this article: https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/some-thoughts-on-supposedly-feminist-men-who-reportedly-abuse-harass-women/. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. I cannot find the comment so let me Some person, purportedly a woman, is blaming the women for going to Hybels hotel room. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. Obviously very biblically ignorant site!! Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. Dont work for Megas, folks. [1] @ truthseeker00: @ Julie: Home; NEWS; Actress; . The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. No quid pro quo to substantiate. Indeed. Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. Glory to God. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. Weve heard it before Drugs made me do it Alcohol made me do it My wife made me do it etc. Religious, but spiritually destitute. William Hybels is an American author and church figure. I thought it was weird when my friends dads would kiss my cheek but I recognized that was a cultural difference really and let it be. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? I just posted an article with links to two case studies from the #MeToo movement, one from the entertainment field (Joss Whedon) and one from the skeptics/scientists author-speaker circuit (Lawrence Krauss). But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. You gotta really watch out for people who hug themselves. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. However, there are a couple of things we cannot judge and this is what I believe what Scripture is talking about. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. Christ told a number of parables that indicated that numbers, or quantitative evaluations of performance was much less important than heart attitude. Thats all the ambien defense is too. Where is the debater of this age? @ brad/futuristguy: Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? Maybe hes just old. My bad for not being back in touch with you. Oh, absolutely. People are observing us, day in and day out. Jesus wins. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. : Mahaney books. Activism. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Good point. I have recently become Lutheran. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. Forgiveness/ redemption for the sinner does not mean acceptance of the sin, nor does it mean deliverance from the consequences of the sin. Please take a look at the situation in 1 Coninthians 5. Nothing more. For many years, they were THE place when on job hunt. Whether or not one can repent after death seems to be the question when it comes to Christian universalism. WTF? If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! In your view, discussing Hybels behavior is worse than his behavior. If you think they dont see our sin, you are fooling yourself. I have seen it done for over 40 years now. Which God/god Bill ? This makes my blood boil. Just wonderin, Similarities I tell you, when someone like BH is exposed, people come out of the woodworks to defend their celebrity hero and attempt to discredit the victims. For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. I too believed that what I experienced was an aberration and couldnt be attributed to a person of such spiritual stature. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. Hybel's father was an entrepreneur in wholesale produce whose work ethic was the model for his son. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. This makes my blood boil. Maybe its part of why why didnt your husband DO *something* (what? Bills own admission appears to have been made at a meeting with certain Elders and Willow Creek Association Board members. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. sigh. how many people worship Hybels instead of God. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. Shameful! And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? He told me to sit down and put my feet up. 20 years later Ive served in ministry as well as a school administrator for small and very large public high schools. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. Fascinating. (My family attended when I was in elementary and middle school.) Scapegoats? That isnt good for anyone. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. This was mishandled. too much bowing down to the leaders, too much caliber, too much influence, too much power. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. We must judge actions and , if they are wrong, we must pass judgement on them, even if it is one of our beloved leaders. @ Davis and Natasha: Betty Schmidt gave 5 specific ways the current Willow Creek elders have misquoted and misrepresented her. Mary, read your Bible carefully. Same story we keep hearing again and again. Shame on all who participated in this. We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years.. Looks like THAT Joseph Smith (the founding couple) were lucky enough to have a Brigham Young (the board) to succeed them. There are evil people who look like good people. Might I suggest this might more accurately say that sexual predation is not always based on wanting to have sex? I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. We are the only ones allowing them through even though I am starting to disallow some. @ Thersites: So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? Why wait until now?? As someone who didnt grow up in the church, I see the deep value of it. Its not great for innovation. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. She also questioned her own judgment in whether he was actually being inappropriate. Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in ScriptureDo not be the disciple with the sword. In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. It took celebrity to call out another celebrity because that is how that world works. Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. As a p.s. What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. I was speaking more generally, I dont hug men at work! But eventually they will wake up to what happened and it will not be pretty when nice people realize that they have been manipulated and used. AFAIK they havent yet made any corrections or denials. The naked woman swimming around the boat incident he related in a way to make himself appear understanding and concerned for her welfare. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. @ dee: And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. Difference. So many perps being exposed it looks like the Lord is behind the exposure. #metoo. Dont jump to quickly to the question, How could an honest, intelligent person not have seen what was happening under his or her nose for years?. And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. Brought so many people to Christ. I believe her account. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. That is not old school. To me (and probably to a lot of jurors), timely Disappearing of Evidence = ADMISSION OF GUILT. Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. Willow Creek was promoted by Hybels as a model for all of christendom, Look at me, I have the answers. At times it became oppressive for those churches that were told to tear up their foundations and follow The Model. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. Lets do church. As Im reading the comments, its becoming evident that theres something horribly wrong with Willow Creek church. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. Its so clear how this happened on the womens part. is lynne hybels still married to bill. They gain influence or trust first and then use that as cover for another manipulation agenda. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. They adopted the commercial business approach. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. @ Lydia. Prestige of Willow Creek? Do not be the disciple with the sword. after the perps death before she told anyone. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. its definitely legit and very well written. There are no winners here. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. But I have not noticed any hugging at the hospital or at any doctors or dentists office. I pity you if thats the case. I think we have lived the same life. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. Come Lord Jesus! ? Why not go public 4 years ago?? Below, what to know about the Bill Hybels scandal. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. 1 comment about arms Think about it. Absalom: Avenge his full-sister Tamar; Blood Feud; Honor Killing of Amnon. How would I know. Dont confuse the two. Her courage will be an inspiration many others. So they were flying around the world together living it up on the giving units dimes. Paul spoke up, and evidently appropriate action was taken, for which the Church at large benefitted. My bad. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. Marquet changed the Leader-Follower traditional naval paradigm to Leader-Allocate Control, resulting in success for all. Oh but us Little Folk, we, I dont think that you can judge how repentant and how contrite Bill has been, based on the words that he said when he announced his retirement. As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. The Devil is destroying yet another church. * This person really taught the Hybels was like Joseph who was thrown into a pit and sold into slavery. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. Or, for instance, a pastor may be forever fishing to see what his parishioners know as to the latest church scandal, etc., without the trusting individuals ever even know this is taking place. We are as busy as they; Wow!!! Really? Christianity Lite, theyve taken the salt out of salt. Kudos to these two publishers. The fact that people post here and not just give up on the church and Christainty gives me great comfort the NT clearly warns of false profits amoung the brethern and clearly teaches we should have qualified leaders. Our job is to sow seeds. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. Further, just Google and do a You Tube search on Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels. May 28, 2021 45 Dislike Share Benjamin Ady 56 subscribers At Willow Creek South Barrington's Congregational Meeting May 2021, with about 200 Core Committed members present, Senior pastor Dave. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. I have already commented on that nonsense that just went up. Wow!!! I only hugged a co-worker once. Bill Hybels, (formerly, William Hybels) was born on 12 December 1951 in Kalamazoo, Michigan, U.S. He would be better for a while, and then get physical again. he shoveled my walkway and came to the neighborhood potlucks? Its safer. Weve seen all kinds of abuses from ministry leaders and time always reveals the truth. I have going to professional society meeting for over 30 years, and hospitality suites are expected/ the norm. Excellent post. i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. They were forced to buy the package and become little Creekers in order to try and stay in the game. I do, however, see how the dastardly could try and use the physical emotional responses to size up or groom a potential victim. And my guess is the elders dont know either. . And conveniently you are dismissing the affair. Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Because saving his legacy saves Willow Creek. Awkwardly I stayed and we talked for about twenty minutes. One person even called him *Joseph. Shameful! Remember Bill hybels stepped down. Invited women to their hotel rooms While still being married, Stephany accidentally reconnects with a former lover, who is hideously ugly and struggling nancially. Ortberg actually does have a chance to step up and be the bigger man here. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? I hope its okay to post. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. Are you saying that God is insufficient in this situation? Wow. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. And many that I know and love have yet to escape. Our job is to call. JIHAD! Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! More of my thoughts here: http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/. It comes out. Dee and Jack know so little. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. Testimony of victims and witnesses is not gossip. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? You were a vulnerable target (especially with children) The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. . Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. Im not sure if Julie is a regular or not (I cant keep up), but a new Twitter account alerted me to that article as well, that is why I asked. This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. At what point will Heather Lawson realize that Willow Creek needs to over? Think about it. It can happen. People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. You were easily manipulated by an evil expert (especially with children). @ dee: @ April Kasper: I saw it on the Willow Creek Church Facebook page, and posted it here because I know someone here will get to the bottom of it. This was not about a long hug. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. No one. Please stop reporting about Jodis letter. Thats what she thinks is comparable? 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